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Because a it's taking a guaranteed payout of 1. The King is worth 10, and, according to your rule, the Ace is automatically worth The problem is that noone is arguing that. The real issue is NOT whether you can "choose" the value of the ace. That's my gut feeling, but I don't know the answer. The value of the ace is totally contingent on the situation. Sure, math could help us out - but hell, I'll be the first to admit, I can't do the complex math that's required in this situation. And I second Doctor Who's comment about taking it easy in GQ, especially since Frylock was just quoting something from another source i. There's no question of whether the value can be one or not--that question is answered by the conclusion already reached: It's value is As the Wikipedia article reads, there is no situation in which you get to choose the value of the ace. If you are allowed to double down, you can add another 10 and potentially win 20 bucks. Is there such a rule? I interpret these uses of the word "automatic" to preclude any optional continuation of the hand, but I recognize that it's not absolutely clear on this point. In this situation, you are basically looking for the dealer to eat a 10 and bust. Now the Ace is worth 1. These two rules, taken together, do lead to the conclusion that you can not hit on a soft The ace, as has been established, counts as 11 because this doesn't cause a bust. And that, according to the rule, is the end of the inquiry. I was at a blackjack table in a casino ealier today when I hit blackjack. The wikipedia link is simply unhelpful with regard to whether a player COULD double down on a "soft Also copperwindow probably a nicer way to handle that. It's an interesting thought, but in my limited knowledge about the game, I've always heard that a blackjack is an instant win; no options available. Here's the relevant rule from the wiki: "It's an 11 unless this would cause you to bust, then it's a one. Ah crap, forgot to add this this is how I've always understood it too, DooWahDiddy. If neither side has blackjack, then each player plays out his hand, one at a time. So we don't need a rule that says anything explicit about soft 21s, we just need a rule that says what A says. So did the manager allow it or not? Doubling down instead of taking your winnings seems like a pretty poor strategy unless you know that almost all of the cards left will cause the dealer to bust. As the hand stands you have blackjack , you will win 15 bucks. That logic right there is enough to stop me from doubling down, but let's press on. And one has not been offered up yet. He called a manager and the manager said no one has ever asked to do such a thing. Now then, re-read what he said. If you were to double down in that situation a number of times, your expected payoff would be less than half of what you'd otherwise get claimiing your blackjack. So the total for the hand is So rule A indicates the hand is over. It will however reduce the value of the ace to 1. What is the value of that ace, according to the quoted rule? So, setting aside the question of whether you can do it, it seems that it is not advisable to. Ace is worth Easy, right? And The play goes as follows: If the dealer has blackjack and the player doesn't, the player automatically loses. And then the dealer has a chance to beat you. Because in Atlantic City they automatically pay out when you get an ace and a facecard, not even giving you time to say that you want to make it a 1 or Say you have this rule: A: When you have a 21, the hand is over. But here's the relevant sentence from the OP: I told the dealer that I wanted to count the ace as a one and double down against his six, but he said he didn't that I was allowed to do it. Give it time. Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks. That means I'm right, right? An ace's value is 11 unless this would cause the player to bust. Which means when paired with a 10, you have 21, which is not a bust, which means the value of the Ace must be Your sentence "If I have a king, calling it eleven would not cause me to bust" is inaccurate because you're treating the Ace as a 1 even before you verify whether or not you'd otherwise bust hint: you won't.

View Full Version : Blackjack question. Because hitting on that "soft 21" will not cause you to bust. Frylock Let's say copperwindow was dealt an Ace and a King. Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil straightdope.

Ah, right you are. I don't meen to seem overly hostile, but your answer seems to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on the straight dope. If I have a king, calling it eleven would not cause me to bust, but this is like saying that a king is a face card.

I mean, I know he said it's never been allowed, but did he allow it? If the player has https://list.spinslotsmoney.site/blackjack/blackjack-hand-table.html and the dealer doesn't, the player automatically wins.

That's what the wiki says, anyway, and that's the correct way to apply the rule found in that wiki. You doin't seem to know much about blackjack. Everywhere I have played black jack they would payout immediately upon dealing black jack.

Again Frylock your blackjack tournament rules wiki is entirely correct, but it's just not really pertinent to the OP. I'm left speechless after reading that. Call me crazy! We all agree that the Ace as it is dealt is worth Doubledown in the OP but blackjack tournament rules wiki the same concept.

When all the players have finished the dealer plays his hand. I told the dealer that I wanted to count the ace as a one and double down against his six, but he said he didn't that I was allowed to do it.

Inasmuch as you thought the correct application of the rule found in the wiki is other than what I've said, your issue is indeed with me. As you state, it's true that the situation dictates the value of the Ace. We're going to blackjack tournament rules wiki to simplify what happens next, since there's no telling what card you will get, what the dealer's hole card is, or what blackjack online sa prevodom 21 dealer will draw.

And I'm pretty sure trying to double down in that situation is not a good idea. My two questions are:am I allowed to do it and would it be worth it since I already win 1.

The value of the ace, according to the quoted rule, is This is because it's being 11 does not cause your hand to bust. Frylock, I apologize if I'm misunderstanding your posts, but in re-reading them - I think this is where the confusion lies.

Inasmuch as you think the rule found at the wiki is blackjack tournament rules wiki a valid rule of blackjack, then your issue is with the wiki article, not with me. If both the player and dealer have blackjack then it's a push.

Then you hit and get a 3. The wiki article's all I've looked at. On the wikipedia entry about Blackjack, it says "An ace's value is 11 unless this would cause the player to bust, in which case it is worth 1. You don't seem to know much about the Straight Dope, if you think that's the stupidest thing you've read here.

But to be honest, I've never politely asked to double-down on a Blackjack. But that's not the issue. Blackjack tournament rules wiki, since you have a king and therefore won't bust, the ace counts as His post makes perfect sense.

Couple this with B: An ace counts as 11, unless this would cause the hand to bust, in which case the ace counts as 1.

The value is determined by the situation, by the rule I just quoted. Is there something more official that can be consulted?

If you assume that if the dealer doesn't bust then you will lose, then it's not a good bet then it doesn't make sense. OK - here's my take: Let's say you bet 10 dollars. If the rule from Wikipedia is in fact a rule of blackjack officially, then you are wrong, or at least, you are misunderstanding something. That means that you are risking 15 bucks to win an additional 5. In my gut - I feel like the casinos will let you hit on that 21 if you want. He has He has blackjack.